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What to Do about Inequality

This article is part of What to Do about Inequality, a forum on correcting gross inequities in pre-tax income.

ImageDerek Aylward

That inequality is a major social problem was once a niche belief on the left. From time to time, a small cadre of anti-inequality intellectuals would rail about the false consciousness of the public.

Why, they would ask, is the American public so accepting, even unaware, of the spectacular takeoff in economic inequality? When would middle-class voters—inside of Kansas and out—finally open their eyes, acknowledge the problem, and stop backing the political party that bears so much responsibility for the creation of a new Gilded Age?

That was then. Now we live in a world in which a broad swath of journalists, intellectuals, and the informed public is openly worrying about economic inequality and debating what to do about it.

Judging by current legislative proposals and Democratic Party rhetoric, there is an emerging consensus that our main response to inequality should be to increase tax rates for the well off. There is much to be said for this tax-based redistributive agenda and good reason to pursue it. But we ought not stop there. If we’re serious about reducing inequality, a higher tax rate for the rich will not suffice. We need other inequality-reducing interventions. It would be a shame if Occupy Wall Street (OWS)—whose concerns extend well beyond tax policy—were reduced to a push for increasing the marginal tax rates for people earning more than a million dollars a year.

FORUM RESPONSES
Rick Perlstein The educated unemployed are our rising social problem.
Mike Konczal The real battle is not about eliminating rents but determining who will benefit from them.
Shikha Dalmia America has done a remarkable job of closing the only gap that matters: the personal well-being gap.
Ruy Teixeira Taxing the rich would raise vitally needed revenue.
Thomas Piketty, Emmanuel Saez, and Stefanie Stantcheva The top tax rate could be as high as 83 percent without harming economic growth.
Barbara R. Bergmann Call it socialistic if you want, but it’s what we need.
Neal McCluskey Problems in education can’t be blamed on market failure, because American education is dominated by government.
Susan E. Mayer If anything, tax policy has moderated the increase in inequality since 1979.
Anne L. Alstott Financial inequality replicates itself in nearly every sphere of life—health, leisure time, even marriage.
Glenn C. Loury Inequality is a product of our impoverished ideas about autonomy, community, and solidarity—not our economy.
David B. Grusky replies The legitimacy of levying taxes to recoup illicit gains is beyond dispute.

What’s wrong with relying exclusively on a “tax the 1 percent” agenda? The most obvious problem is that it is hard to sell in a tax-fearing country. It’s just not convincing to go on with that well-rehearsed mantra: if only voters were narrowly self-interested they would support raising rates on those in tax brackets higher than their own. Whatever our simple models may imply on this point, we know they’re wrong and that American conservatives are remarkably adept at discrediting pro-tax proposals as Eurosocialism.

It’s even more troubling that the tax-based redistributive agenda is founded on a misdiagnosis. The driving assumption seems to be that inequality is increasing mainly because of reduced levies on capital gains, the Bush tax cuts, and related changes in U.S. tax policy. If that assumption were correct, then it would make sense to limit ourselves to reversing those policies.

But the takeoff in inequality cannot be explained by tax policy alone. To the contrary, as economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty have shown [see their response to Grusky], there has been a dramatic rise over the last 30 years in pre-tax income inequality. The share of pre-tax income flowing to the top 1 percent of households increased from less than 10 percent in 1975 to more than 20 percent now. This spectacular increase in market inequality is of course exacerbated by changes in after-market taxation. However, because the takeoff in inequality is mainly generated within the market, we should look to market institutions to understand its main causes.

As important as tax-based redistribution is, we therefore need to supplement it with policies that address market inequality. We would do well to look to OWS for inspiration here. Although OWS hardly sings with a single voice, one line in the polyphony implies an institutional critique of inequality and a market-based remedy for it. The institutional critique is not about the tax system but about the ways in which American labor and capital markets generate extreme pre-tax inequality. The core idea is that powerful players have built self-serving and inequality-generating institutions that are often codified in law and come to be represented—through an ingenious sleight of hand—as laissez-faire capitalism.

We all are familiar with the argument that extreme inequality is the inevitable outcome of a highly competitive market. The institutional critique turns this idea on its head and implies that extreme inequality comes from a lack of competition and associated market failure. Put simply, we’d have far less inequality if our labor market and other institutions were more competitive—if our commitment to competition weren’t mere lip service but were honored even when the rich and powerful would lose out.



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A Knee-Jerk Solution
Before laying out the institutional argument in more detail, let’s step back and ask why we reflexively assume that tax-based redistribution is the best way to take on inequality. This assumption makes sense only insofar as the institutions that generate wages and other income are treated as sacrosanct. If such institutions are indeed given a free pass, our only opportunity for reducing inequality is to intervene after they operate. Hence we turn by default to taxation.

This raises a key question: Why do we think our existing labor market institutions are sacred? In the context of liberal economies, we think as much because these institutions are presumed to be based on a thin set of rules that ensure labor contracts are easily formed and terminated and that a worker’s compensation therefore equals her contribution to the firm’s output. We assume, in other words, that our institutions are fine-tuned to allow the market’s invisible hand to do its good work.

If we’re truly serious about reducing inequality, taxing the rich will not suffice.

If our labor market institutions were actually “thin” in this way, then we could only tinker with them at our peril. By revising the sacred rules, we would break the link between compensation and contribution, thereby introducing inefficiencies and reducing total output. This heroic assumption underlies the political consensus around deregulation that emerged in the last several decades. In an unspoken compact, liberals (i.e., leftists) have agreed to let conservatives run a competitive and “regulation-free” economy, while conservatives have in turn agreed that the fruits of economic growth will be used to fund programs that redistribute market income.

The ritual complaint of liberals since the Reagan Revolution is that conservatives aren’t holding up their side of this grand deregulative compact. Although pragmatic liberals have signed on to the market deregulation program by allowing unions and the minimum wage to wither, conservatives haven’t in turn lived up to their commitment to use some reasonable proportion of the national income for purposes of redistribution. As OWS grew, it provided liberals with an occasion to remind conservatives of the compact and press for changes in tax policy.

But this interpretation of OWS reduces it to a business-as-usual movement that is exploited simply to expand the redistributive side of the bargain. And there is more to OWS than business as usual. The anti-inequality critique entails rejecting the social compact’s core belief that our market institutions are just thin regulations that equate contribution and compensation. That is, much OWS rhetoric recognizes that market institutions are riddled with inequality-generating corruption, bottlenecks, and sweetheart deals, a state of affairs that demands that our institutions be reformed rather than treated as inviolable. When OWS participants point out that market regulations are shaped by lobbyists, powerful corporations, and the well off, they are hardly telling a story about thin rules that merely enable the invisible hand. Instead the story is about a very visible hand distorting market principles.

This variant of OWS rhetoric has diffused widely. Jon Stewart recently lectured Lou Dobbs to the effect that our current economic institutions are a gerrymandered “perversion of capitalism,” while Newt Gingrich experimented with populist stump speeches emphasizing that “deals are being cut on behalf of Wall Street institutions and very rich people.” We are in the midst of an unusual moment in history in which the deregulative compact’s core premise is being called into question by liberal icons and Republican presidential candidates alike. It would be foolish to waste this moment by falling back to a regressive compact that presumes that our institutions are inviolable and that all that can be done is after-the-fact redistribution.

The institutional critique turns our attention to market failures that generate what economists call “rent.” Rent is income that exceeds what would be needed to ensure that a particular asset, such as labor, continues to be deployed in a competitive market. A manager, for instance, is collecting rent when she earns more than she would in a perfectly competitive market (bearing in mind that a perfectly competitive market is an “ideal type” that doesn’t obtain in any existing economy). Because of corruption, bottlenecks in labor supply, or sweetheart deals, the manager is paid in excess of what would be needed to convince her to do the job.

The concept of rent is tailor-made for the OWS argument that power and privilege are built into our markets. Although the market is usually represented as highly competitive, the OWS retort is that such a representation only camouflages the many ways in which the rules are rigged to benefit the already advantaged. This is a simple story about an economy rife with rent.

It’s one matter to argue that opponents of inequality have embraced the rhetoric of rent and quite another to demonstrate that the rhetoric is on the mark. To make that case, I offer two illustrations. The first suggests that the increasing financial benefits of schooling, well appreciated as a main cause of rising inequality, are partly attributable to market failure. The second suggests that excessive executive compensation is rooted in non-competitive practices and that a true market wage would likely reduce inequality. These two examples imply that rent benefits the rank-and-file college-educated worker as well as members of the 1 percent. In laying out both, I will draw heavily on the work of others, especially that of Kim Weeden.



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Education Rent
With all the recent worrying about the travails of the college-educated, it is easy to forget that the payoff of a college education has dramatically increased over the long run, with the sharpest increase occurring in the 1980s. The growing earnings gap between the college-educated and the rest of the labor force is an important source of rising inequality.

But why has this college premium endured, indeed, expanded? To understand the puzzle, let’s imagine that we live in a perfectly competitive economy. In that economy, information about the high returns of a college education would gradually diffuse, workers in pursuit of those returns would invest in college, and the resulting influx of college-educated workers would drive down the premium. The high returns generated by a shortage of educated labor would therefore disappear.

Since 1975, the share of pre-tax income flowing to the top 1 percent has more than doubled.

But they haven’t disappeared. The persistence of high returns suggests that institutionalized bottlenecks are preventing workers from responding as they would in a competitive market. Although other explanations are possible, the bottleneck account is appealing because it is consistent with our understanding of how education is rationed to the select few.

Two types of bottlenecks are especially important. The supply of potential college students is artificially lowered because children born into disadvantaged families are poorly prepared for college and, in any event, haven’t the money to afford it. The demand for college students is kept artificially low because most elite universities, both public and private, ration their available slots. It’s not as if Stanford, Harvard, and Berkeley are meeting the rising demand for their degrees by selling some profit-maximizing number of them. If top universities met demand in this way, the outsized benefits of a high-prestige education would disappear.

Is this how a competitive market works? Absolutely not. When, for example, the demand for hybrid cars increased dramatically in the United States, car manufacturers didn’t set up admissions committees charged with evaluating the qualifications of prospective buyers. Instead, they ramped up production to a profit-maximizing level, and the shortage-driven uptick in prices soon corrected itself. We have become so accommodated to high prices for college-educated labor that we don’t appreciate the rationing and market failure that underlie them.

These bottlenecks create inequality by changing the relative size of the college-educated and poorly educated classes. Because bottlenecks generate an artificially small college-educated class, its wages are inflated and its unemployment rate suppressed. Because they generate an artificially bloated class of poorly educated workers, its wages are suppressed and its unemployment rate inflated. This crowding at the bottom has helped build a massive reserve army of unskilled labor evocative of mid-nineteenth century England.

By addressing such market failure with redistribution, we could indeed prop up wages at the bottom, but with all the angst, opposition, and political drama that redistributive programs evoke in a market-loving society. The better response to market failure is to undertake market repair. If all children, even those born into poor families, had access to adequate primary and secondary school training and then to college education, the high unemployment and poor pay at the bottom would be reduced, as would the low unemployment and excessive pay at the top. We’d have less poverty and inequality if we increased the number of slots in higher education and committed to fair and open competition for them.

Who would win and who would lose from such market repair? The losers would be those who are now artificially protected from competition and are therefore reaping excessive returns. The winners, by contrast, are those currently locked out of higher education who would gain access once markets are repaired.

But these are not the only winners. The other main winners are the businesses that currently pay inflated prices for high-skill employees but will no longer have to do so once higher education is opened up fully to competition. It’s hardly in the interest of business to pay the excessive cost of rationed higher education, nor is it in the wider interest of any country to settle for the lower national income that such restrictions on competition imply. If the emerging economic niche for the United States is product innovation, creative oversight of global product streams, and related forms of high-skill production, then we need a well-educated labor force. We risk choking off that high-road strategy by allowing bottlenecks and high labor costs to persist.

The happy conclusion is that market repair, if taken seriously, can yield a higher national income as well as less inequality. Although it’s conventionally argued that a taste for equality can only be indulged at the cost of reducing total output, this standard tradeoff thesis no longer holds once we realize that existing economies, and perhaps especially the U.S. economy, are burdened with inequality-increasing rent.

This rent will not be shorn off with the usual half-hearted, flavor-of-the-day reform efforts. What’s required is a radical overhaul of our education system. The seemingly uncontroversial objectives of such reform would be to provide the same opportunities to rich and poor children alike and to provide enough higher-education slots to meet the additional demand that equalization would generate. In the education reform industry, most initiatives are marketed on the basis of their effects on school quality, and any possible residual effects on equalizing opportunity are treated as a convenient side benefit. That’s a travesty. We should instead begin and end all discussion of reform by asking whether it secures our commitment to equalizing opportunity. This should be our main goal in just the same way that equalizing civil rights was in the 1960s and 1970s. If we were to commit to this objective, as many other countries have, it would be child’s play to settle on the reforms needed to implement it.

Conventional wisdom notwithstanding, extreme inequality comes from a lack of competition.

This is not the place to debate how equal opportunity is best achieved: there are all sorts of ways to skin the cat, and what matters for my argument is only that the cat be skinned. It’s not that we don’t know how to secure equal opportunity. We’ve just given up on it. It’s inexcusable that, despite our putatively deep commitment to equal opportunity, we’ve become inured to the profound bottlenecks in educational access and have failed to appreciate them for the market failure that they are.



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Rent Among The 1 Percent
As important as authentic educational reform is, it probably wouldn’t slow down the growth in inequality at the very top of the income distribution, as that growth is undergirded by a rather different type of rent. Because the takeoff at the top has been so spectacular, it’s instructive to consider how market failure and rent are implicated there as well.

The case for addressing the high-end takeoff by raising additional taxes from the highest earners might seem sensible at first blush. But again we should insist on reaching a correct diagnosis before settling on the best prescription. If top earnings are generated from corrupt, rigged, or particularistic compensation practices, then we would do better to address those practices than to treat them as sacred and assume that our only recourse is after-the-fact taxation.

Consider the case of CEO pay. The extraordinary rise in CEO pay, like the more general explosion of inequality, dates to the late 1970s. The acceleration, however, has been especially sharp since the mid-1990s. For a host of reasons, the gap between CEOs and average workers varies from year to year, but there is no mistaking the dramatic increase in recent decades.

Why are CEOs paid so well? Under current pay-setting practices, an opportunity for rent arises because board members, often sitting at the behest of the CEO, effectively set the CEO’s pay. (Although shareholders of publicly owned companies can, in theory, vote against management-sponsored compensation proposals, they rarely do.) If board members are rational, they will favor ample compensation packages because their own interests, such as remaining on the board, are served by keeping the CEO happy. It’s rather like asking a professor’s students to decide on her pay in advance of receiving their grades.

Given the simple incentives at work, one would be hard pressed to represent CEO pay in pure market terms. But firms try to do so anyway by hiring outside consultants to recommend compensation terms based on what peer firms offer. The recommendation is then represented as the pay level set by a competitive market. This representation is of course wrong. The prevailing wage is just that—the prevailing one—and it reflects not the true contribution of CEOs but the common practice of allowing CEOs to appoint board members who are then beholden to them.

Even so, a large and powerful contingent of scholars, mainly economists, views executive pay arrangements as the product of arm’s length contracting between boards and executives. This framework implies that the CEO’s compensation equals her contribution to the corporation. The statistical models bearing on this debate are inevitably inconclusive because it is difficult to determine a CEO’s true contribution. The best we can do, given such ambiguity, is ask whether our pay-setting institutions allow the opportunity for rent to be collected. If the opportunity exists, it’s reasonable to assume that it will be exploited.

This line of reasoning merely suggests that rent is being collected. It is entirely possible that the “optimal contracting” economists are right that compensation is efficient. But even if this is true, the legitimacy of compensation practices is still everywhere called into question, and much corporate energy must accordingly be devoted to concealing, justifying, or explaining packages that the public and stockholders treat with understandable suspicion. Because these packages are so public, the appearance of impropriety can lead to widespread cynicism about how fair our system is, with resulting costs in the form of increased disaffection. It follows that reform efforts should focus on ending incentives and practices that appear to allow for rent. Although we can never know whether rent has been fully eliminated, we can at least identify and root out the corporate practices that seem to generate it.

Bottlenecks generate an artificially small college-educated class with inflated wages.

If rent is being collected, it’s worth asking how to get rid of it. Could we use tax policy to end rent-seeking in the market? As Saez points out, when marginal tax rates are raised at the top, the after-tax payoff to securing rent is reduced, and hence the incentive to pursue rent is reduced as well. The idea is that a CEO has less incentive to stock a board with cronies when the extra compensation they approve is taxed at a higher rate.

Although the argument is clever, tax policy seems a blunt instrument for the task. In practice, changes in tax rates tend to be small, meaning that the tax-policy effects on rent-seeking would likely be small as well. We would do far better to implement institutional reforms that eliminate the opportunity for rent-seeking than to leave those opportunities intact and settle for some slight reduction in the benefit of pursuing them. Worse yet, Saez’s tax weapon would reduce the incentive for all types of income generation, licit and illicit alike. It is accordingly less efficient than direct institutional reform that eliminates the opportunity for rent-seeking without negative effects on other types of economic activity. Institutional reform, if carried out smartly, is hard to beat.



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Really Competitive markets
It has been disheartening to watch commentators, even sympathetic ones, try to shoehorn OWS into a tax-based redistributive agenda. Although tax reform is important, it fails to address the core OWS critique of inequality, misdiagnoses the sources of increasing inequality, and accordingly takes our eye off the prize of fundamental institutional reform.

The institutions that determine compensation are deeply distorted by the visible hand of entrenched and powerful interests. We ought to address this distortion directly through institutional repair. The process will be long and hard, but it should receive political support because it entails aligning our institutions with the rules of fair and open competition that so many Americans embrace. The needed reforms merely require that the rich accept the same harsh market medicine that has for so long been doled out to the poor. If such reform is undertaken, we will end up with much less inequality. To be sure, we will still have some inequality, but at least it will be inequality in which we can believe.

What is the alternative? We could give up hope of institutional repair and settle for rough-and-ready redistribution via taxes and transfers. If we take this road, we should at least do so recognizing that it is nothing more than a pragmatic acknowledgement that the rich and powerful can’t be prevented from shaping the rules to their own advantage. The 1 percent will likely appreciate such pragmatism. If given a choice between paying higher taxes and reforming the rent-ridden institutions that enrich them in the first place, certainly they would opt for the former. This is because tax reform can be readily cast as socialist equality mongering and is accordingly vulnerable to reversal when the political winds change. There’s no similar way to discredit institutional reform focused on equalizing the rules of the game and producing a truly competitive economy for the rich as well as the poor.

The commitment within the general population to equalizing the rules of the game likely trumps all others. There’s much empirical evidence suggesting that Americans are prepared to accept even substantial inequality as long as it’s generated under competitive market rules. It’s therefore wrong to interpret public outrage about CEO pay as a protest against high compensation in and of itself. This outrage is not driven by the class envy about which the GOP presidential candidates so frequently complain. It is, rather, a protest against rationing, corruption, sweetheart deals, and foxes guarding the henhouse. It is a protest, in other words, against the corruption of markets by power. The rush to a tax agenda leaves the corruption untouched and instead fixates on a redistributive band-aid that Americans have never much liked. The market principle is, by contrast, one of our core commitments and a more promising base upon which to take on extreme inequality.


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Comments

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Right on Politics Wrong on Economics
It is true that the a reactive, redistributive approach has generally been used in response to inequality, rather than a proactive restructuring of the institutional problems underlying inequality. However, more college education, and so more competition at the top, cannot be the solution. We already have a glut of college educated people who can find jobs. If we want the fair variety of inequality, where people keep what they legitimately earn, then we should deregulate to allow competition between businesses, not necessarily labor at the top, as well as we should fix our corporate liability laws. We need individuals in corporations to be accountable for their crimes and we need corporations to be accountable for their debts.
— posted 03/20/2012 at 18:00 by MK
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Widening higher education - has been tried
This is exactly what Tony Blair did when he entered office (in fact it had been started by John Major before him). The numbers of university places was massively expanded in the UK, but if it has had any effect on reducing inequality of incomes, it's hard to see the evidence. The reality is, the more people you bring in to tertiary education, the more valuable become other criteria, such as a first class degree from an Ivy University - or having been tutored by the best lecturers.

You're correct about CEO pay though - it's about time businesses introduced a method used by Ricardo Semler where the employees (including the CEO) set their own salaries. All the information is open, the staff are in the best position to determine how much value everyone brings to the company, and they will reward accordingly. If the CEO is particularly good, the staff will want to keep them and pay them accordingly. If they're not, they won't.
— posted 03/21/2012 at 09:38 by CazzaP
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The cost of competition must be on Goliath
I agree with most of what MK says above, except on deregulation and competition. Regulation provides accountability to the society and needn't necessarily be good economics. That said, if strong correlation is established between regulation and competition, the extra cost imposed by regulation on start ups (the Davids) must be levied from the huge monopolistic corporations (the Goliath). And why this still isn't standard policy is beyond me.
— posted 03/21/2012 at 19:22 by SK
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Inequality?
Would anyone be kind enough to show me ANYWHERE equality actually exists -- except in the minds of "... journalists, intellectuals, and ..." other fools?
— posted 03/22/2012 at 00:22 by Bob
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Mr
The thing to do with inequality is to praise it, to celebrate it, and to encourage it. Other than that, what you say about monopolists and their rent seeking is as true of the so-called humanitarians in education and I government as it is of the other sorts of Fascists in the private sector.
— posted 03/22/2012 at 11:26 by johnwerneken
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Top rates could go to 83% without negatively affecting economic growth? Do you people even look at the historic statistics of the subject on which you write? Thats so ridiculous it renders your piece nothing short of comical.
— posted 03/24/2012 at 02:13 by Scott Dunlap
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Intriguing strategy, disappointing execution.
I'm ideologically inclined to be sympathetic to the idea that market distortions are responsible for inequality rather than a thinly regulated market itself. This does not make that case.

The exec comp argument is reasonable and clear. The conflicts of interest there are obvious and poisonous. It would be nice if there were some strong general prohibition -- social or legal -- against that kind of self-dealing, however dressed up with comp consultants' reports.

The education argument seems silly to me. Harvard should really franchise itself nationally? This completely misapprehends what they're selling. They are not selling a dramatically superior education (with apologies to my friends who teach there) -- there is plenty of good educating happening at community colleges too. They are selling certification that anyone who goes there is one of the most able students in the country, not when they leave but when they are admitted -- pre-sorted prospective employees. Offering that educational experience and credential to more students undermines their basic value proposition. The author may think elite colleges are missing out on a great business opportunity, but they know their own market just fine.

So that leaves us with exec comp, and...? Somehow the dramatic erosion of anti-trust law escapes notice here. The way I learned it, a game of Monopoly is all about concentrating money in the hands of the eventual winner, and that "free" markets are not perpetual motion machines, but tend towards fewer and fewer owning more and more unless our government enforces anti trust rules not to keep the free market competition from thriving, but to allow it to thrive. Is that not worth discussing anymore?

Looking back on the greatest years of America's economy, we had strong unions, strong anti-trust enforcement, and top marginal tax rates far higher than the 83% Mr Dunlop scoffs at. Reimposing all those conditions exactly is likely not our best move even if it were politically feasible. But if we want to be a great country with a strong economy, rather than inventing some radical new model, we could start by learning from how we did it last time.
— posted 03/25/2012 at 22:55 by John Neffinger
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A couple of comments.

1. There seems to be an assumption here that a properly working market only delivers good results and if the market is delivering bad results then it must be being manipulated in some way. I'm not going to claim it is completely undistorted, but the focus on CEO salaries is kind of beside the point given that wages and salaries are a tiny part of the incomes of the wealthiest Americans. Wealth concentration results mainly from increasing returns to capital -- it takes money to make that kind of money, so it naturally arises in a free market.

Want to see how that works? Now you too can play with the rich get richer simulator!

2. The other main winners are the businesses that currently pay inflated prices for high-skill employees but will no longer have to do so once higher education is opened up fully to competition.

Bingo! More people with college educations means that most people with college educations get paid less! The market does not reward value, it rewards scarcity. More education will not raise wages; very low unemployment will (see late 90s, and basically no other time), or "market distortions" like unions will.

3. Certainly raising taxes on the wealthy (including capital gains taxes) should not be the sole focus, but is there any good reason not to? It's not like any jobs would be lost, and the money could be used to create jobs.
— posted 03/26/2012 at 02:56 by Eric L
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Looks like you can't use html to provide links here! Here are some things I attempted to link to:

Sources of top incomes:
http://visualizingeconomics.com/2008/04/06/top-400-taxpayers-sources-of-income-1992-2005/

Rich-get-richer-simulator:
http://economicreset.blogspot.com/2012/03/concentration-of-wealth-simulation.html

Why taxes on the rich don't affect jobs:
http://economicreset.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-raising-taxes-on-rich-wont-cost.html
— posted 03/26/2012 at 03:01 by Eric L
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I really don't understand this article
You talk about CEO pay, without even a nod to the many studies (eg, just a smidge, Kahnemanns thinking fast and slow) that show little correlation
and
you don't offer any suggestions
why on earth should we take away focus from taxes if you don't have a program to replace it ?
Its your idea; it is incumbent on you to come up with some ideas

you mention liberals who bargined with conservatives to gut unions - they ain't liberals, they are traitors (W Guthrie, a scab never has to worry abut work, he can always get by on what he steals out of blind men's cups)

you fail to note the power distorting effects of wealth; Koch can buy congress, which passes laws to make him wealthier, which .. a pos feedback loop.
Confiscatory taxes are a good thing

you say the American people are against tax hikes. NOnsense; when we have moderate republicans like B Obams (the crisis in social security funding...that is Obama's start, and it is a lie generated by the GOP; nuff said) why would anyone support tax increases ?

no mention of the class warfare waged by internationaliation (again, dems) wtf??
(and lets not forget clinton, wonder how he would tell some worker, sure you lost your union job, but you can buy cheap TVs with your welfare check, oh wait, no checks...)
(not to mention, where were the dems on the carried interest thing ? and who got the gop's odious bankruptcy bill thru the senate (hint: he is VPOTUS)

And lets not forget, the miracles of free trade are supported by the same corrupt economists who support CEO pay, or who suggest that taxes on the rich inhibit jobs; I've known some 8 figure guys, and they are driven; $ is a conveienent way to keep score, just like $ is a convienent way to buy milk (as opposed to barter), but if tax rates were 99%, these guys would still be busting their humps
— posted 03/28/2012 at 03:22 by ezra abrams
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Let's go back to basics: Rent
Nowhere in this do I detect a whiff of understanding of what the classical economists were talking about when they referred to Rent. It has been missing from the curriculum for a long time -- several generations in most universities, though it remains in most textbooks -- so it is difficult to blame people for not discussing what they never learned.

Adam Smith, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill, Henry George and others understood that the value of Land -- that which nature provides us -- underlies all production. The neo-classical economists from whom the last few generations of economics majors learned their "craft" managed to pretend that Land was somehow a subset of Capital (some could say that the founders and funders of universities much preferred it this way).

So several generations of people we call economists are sadly lacking in some basic understanding.

Were we to start collecting the Rent, a lot of these problems would start to become moot.

I've been reading a lot of Google Books material from the 1880 to 1920 period, and it is fascinating the extent to which these ideas were widely understood and acknowledged to be correct.

Somehow we've lost that awareness, and the benefits have accrued to a narrow class within our society. And few of us know where the root of the problem is.

I encourage you to explore the ideas associated with Henry George. Look for "An Introduction to Henry George" for starters. You might read Thomas Shearman's (as in Shearman and Sterling) book "Natural Taxation" or Fillebrown's "A B C of Taxation."

Go to the root. Nibbling at the leaves or hacking at the branches is generally pointless.
— posted 04/10/2012 at 12:29 by Wyn Achenbaum
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remind me...
Remind me...what's wrong with Eurosocialism again? All that talk of the nation, its historical mission, its uniqueness, its rugged individualism seems to be making less and less sense. And all these admirable qualities can only interfere with sound nation-building. Now I shall read the article and see if I missed out on something truly meaningful.
— posted 04/12/2012 at 02:50 by Ted Schrey Montreal
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rent asunder
To "secure [one's]commitment to equalizing opportunity" sounds rather a lot like an old communist slogan. It's not meant that way, of course, but I thought I'd point it out anyway. As for the concept of 'rent', that sounds to me like 'added value': it's the value added to what you are actually worth. And this worth is determined, if I understand it correctly, by cronies in similar positions. Someone once suggested top salaries should not exceed, say, ten or twenty times those of the lowest paid employee; or the average; or the mean, whatever. Rather than go through the endless process of checking every rivet on the ship's hull, the latter idea might be more fair, and certainly more bracing.
— posted 04/12/2012 at 03:44 by Ted Schrey Montreal
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boilerplate pseudo thinking
I have read some six contributions so far and am tired of trying to catch a glimpse of reality through faux intelligent academic boilerplate. Anyway, I have seen nothing that connects the present reality of inequality with the fact that some eight million jobs were lost, most of them in manufacturing, the backbone of society thus far. Barbara Bergmann hints at it, and sounds indeed as the only sentient person of the lot; Piketty et al come close but then drift back into the aforementioned template thinking, to coin a phrase. T-h-i-n-k, folks, don't just blather on about undigested chunks of received wisdom.
— posted 04/20/2012 at 16:25 by Ted Schrey Montreal
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no pressing need for wholesale overhaul
Right then, I'm done reading. Loury's piece last, pretty good stuff. Nonetheless, there has always been considerable inequality in American society; anything less unequal and the shouts of socialism and communism rise up from some retrograde corner or other. Like it or not, a society is a community, which is something other and more than a random aggregate of individuals, it seems to me. It is not inequality, but excessive inequality that is the problem.When a CEO retires and gets 50 million buckeroos, that is excessive, I don't care one fig whether he thinks he deserves it.No fancy theorizing is required to figure out what the consequences are of job losses due to globalization and obscene wealth creation in the shape of arcane and essentially metaphysical (read:fanciful)financial "instruments".
— posted 04/20/2012 at 21:44 by Ted Schrey Montreal
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Crisis of the Overeducated and the Bureau of Labor Statistics
Responding to Rick's input @
http://bostonreview.net/BR37.2/ndf_rick_perlstein_inequality.php

The Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Outlook Handbook is telling. Of the top 17 fastest growing occupations in the US until 2020, 11 require less than a bachelor's degree. Of those, 7 require a high school diploma or less.

Why isn't industry creating jobs in which an education is needed? The education=gainful employment matrix has been pixelating since the 80s (if not earlier), when I worked retail food and wondered why so many people with bachelor's degrees were applying for a job to make avocado sandwiches.
— posted 04/28/2012 at 03:54 by Suzanne Aurilio
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In Europe poker sites that are licensed inside the EU are able to offer their citizens tax-free poker winnings; how do you think rules in the US regarding poker winnings will be once poker is legalized?
— posted 05/07/2012 at 08:02 by Kent
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Why should I care about an income gap?
Why should we care whether the gap between rich or poor is widening? If “poor” people made 30,000 and “rich” people made 1,000,000 last year the gap is 970,000. Then if this year poor people make 33,000 and rich people made 1,100,000 the gap increase to 1,067,000 but everybody is making more money (by 10% in this example) so everybody should be happy. If I’m the poor guy I got a 3,000 bump –PARTAY!
If there are policies that preferentially treat the rich at the expense of the poor then THAT is the problem – irrespective of whether there is widening gap or not. I can imagine scenarios in which all economic groups are treated exactly the same by government policies and the gap still widens – due to varying work ethics, intelligence, random luck, etc. Should we care about a gap in that case? If not, then the gap is not the problem – it is a symptom at most.
— posted 06/02/2012 at 15:32 by CO
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Good roots, bad fruit
The article notes that redistributionist taxation is not an effective tool to decrease inequality and it would be better to address it at its more systemic roots. His two examples will be the education income gap and the 1%. So far so good. Then somehow he stumbles into the idea that lower income people are "poorly prepared for college" which makes them less competitive in the job market. "Poorly prepared for college" is not the stumbling block - many lower income people are poorly prepared for life in a modern economy. Available educational resources are not the problem, the availability of a life on welfare and the relevance of education to a life on welfare are the problems dominating inequality at the lowest end of the economic spectrum which is capturing more people each generation. People with college degrees are taking jobs that don't require any college skills not only because there are no available jobs for postfeminist individualization literature majors, but because so many folks without a college degree don't have basic work skills of literacy, numeracy or even punctuality.

Likewise, recognizing cronyism and its effects on inequality is a more productive tool than taxation. The problem here is that in general the left doesn't seem to recognize cronyism in its common forms. Somehow on the left they don't recognize the connection between Rubin's repeal of Glass-Steagle and his $15million/year salary with Citibank less than a year later (as a "consultant"). When Warren Buffet allowed his name to be used to promote a tax on the 1%, the left completely ignored the real situation: Warren Buffet has made his fortune by inventing investment vehicles that avoid taxes. The new tax law will increase his client base, which is just a bonus because he already made another billion dollars on investments based on insider information from advising the current administration. These are blatant examples. The more common examples are buried in regulations. For example, when company X agrees to some pseudoscience-based, onerous regulation it is not because they are concerned about their customers. They are the willing recipients of useful-idiot-based cronyism. Their lobbyist will minimize the impact to them, and the regulation will stifle potential competition from smaller competitors and start ups. This is precisely the cronyism that allowed the large oil companies to consolidate the domestic oil industry so quickly. The best recent examples of cronyism are Dodd-Frank and Obamacare. The thousands of pages in these laws are not because the topics are complicated. They are complicated, but the complications won't show up until the regulations are being written which will be hundreds of thousands of pages. They are thousands of pages because of "exceptions", which in more mundane language is loopholes and sweetheart deals. The older, more traditional cronyism is embedded in the tax code. You could fertilize Texas with the stuff politician from both parties have put in there. Cronyism has three main forms: direct influence peddling like Rubin or Warren Buffet, selective enforcement like the Obamacare waiver system, and overly complicated laws intended to secure advantages to the folks with the best lobbyists - like Dodd-Frank. I had a friend who worked in executive compensation at one point - and they were so far from reality I couldn't even begin to describe to them what was wrong with the way they "analyzed" compensation - but that system is only sustainable when there is no competition. Government based cronyism is much more dangerous because there is no competition. The astronomical cronyism in the financial sector, for example, is only sustained by the government cronyism backing it.
— posted 08/31/2012 at 22:00 by mnemos
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David B. Grusky is Professor of Sociology at Stanford University, Director of the Center on Poverty and Inequality, and co-editor of Pathways.

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