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  • Imagine - paying support for your RAT trojan!

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  • HP Updates Its Printers to Only Work With Official Ink Cartridges

    "I'd rather buy a more expensive printer and not be caught up in future obligations, personally. You never know how things are going to be in the future, and I don't like feeling trapped into things like that."

    Agreed.  Knowing up front that I would be required to purchase OEM cartridges could eliminate that OEM from consideration.  Now, if they wanted to void the warranty for Non OEM cartridge use, I might accept that risk, but rendering the printer non-functional sounds like you're leasing the printer vs. owning it.

    ...Or, are physical printers moving to subscription model...

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  • Well if ever I needed another reason to not have a printer at home, that was it!

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  • ich.ni.san wrote:

    ...Or, are physical printers moving to subscription model...

    I think this is the sad truth they are trying to push on consumers. Another one of those short-term profit decisions.

    Consumers should absolutely respond by never buying these products. Not that I bought an HP printer recently, I'm never going to buy or recommend one under any circumstances since this seems to be the recurring revenue model they seem to like to revert to. These are the kinds of things that crush brand perception for me.

    I understand their networking, server, and PCs are different, but it makes it hard to separate in my mind.

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  • There is a thread on here from years ago when Epson did this. I will never own another Epson, and now will never own an HP. Then again, who uses printers anymore? I only use mine to fax...

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  • HP Updates Its Printers to Only Work With Official Ink Cartridges
    NOT COOL HP... NOT COOL...

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  • HP Updates Its Printers to Only Work With Official Ink Cartridges

    Well, I now know of a brand I will not be recommending to customers.  I usually do recommend using the genuine cartridges to avoid issues, but I like the idea of leaving it up to the customer to decide more.

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  • I have do a printer at home.  It is, in fact, an HP.  They lure you in with their "Instant Ink" program... seems like a good idea on the surface.  No more than we print at home, we ended up paying more for the subscription service that we would have just bought the ink outright.  Now this.    I will not have another HP product in my home.  

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  • ich.ni.san wrote:

    HP Updates Its Printers to Only Work With Official Ink Cartridges

    "I'd rather buy a more expensive printer and not be caught up in future obligations, personally. You never know how things are going to be in the future, and I don't like feeling trapped into things like that."

    Agreed.  Knowing up front that I would be required to purchase OEM cartridges could eliminate that OEM from consideration.  Now, if they wanted to void the warranty for Non OEM cartridge use, I might accept that risk, but rendering the printer non-functional sounds like you're leasing the printer vs. owning it.

    ...Or, are physical printers moving to subscription model...

    One of my clients bought an HP printer for his home that ended up being a subscription service. The printer would require some utility that basically phoned home every day to ensure subscription up-to-date. We ran in to so many problems with the service her finally tossed it. One time HP shut off his printer because his CC on the account was expiring even though the monthly subscription was paid up. It wouldn't let him print until it was resolved and of course it didn't make this obvious you had to go digging through the utility to figure out what was happening. It was also remotely disabled on several other occasions but I don't really recall what the problems were, this happened several years ago now. Only time ever encountered a subscription based printer and would never recommend one to anyone  

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  • HP Printers >> I wish I was shocked and appalled...but at this point it just seems like par for the course /sigh

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  • I have a real problem with HP's removing the ability to use 3rd party supplies. Other companies also do this, of course, but HP is one of the big guys that do it. Most of us call this creating a monopoly, and it's just plain wrong.

    I also have a big problem with being required to play a VR game in order to get hired / promoted / etc.! I have an astigmatism, and as most others with this very common affliction know, this makes VR goggles uncomfortable to use. I get a headache after just a couple minutes of using them. I also suck at video games, but as my annual performance reviews consistently show, my employers are very happy with my work. There is still a big difference between VR and the real world, and I don't really see that gap closing very fast.

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  • Printer tech was into my office the other day and gave me the list of printers that he knows are affected, so we can turn off the firmware autoupdate ahead of time on all those models.

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  • Bing, yes that Bing, now has 100 million daily users

    I wonder if they count windows searches in this number, b/c if they do that's inflating the numbers!

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  • I'm so glad HP pushed that update so users can only buy overpriced HP ink. No shopping around for users. /sarcasm

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  • ich.ni.san wrote:

    ...Or, are physical printers moving to subscription model...

    Yes, it seems like everything is moving that way and pretty soon we won't own anything. We'll have to pay someone for the right to use the device and if you don't pay on time, no grace period for you sucker.

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  • Nintendo shares final Super Mario Bros. Movie trailer and kicks off Mario Day festivities

    I'm super excited about Super Mario Bros! 

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  • Although I never print anything, just knowing that HP is doing something like this is enough to deter me from purchasing another one of their printing products.

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  • Kelly (SWZD) wrote:

    Nintendo shares final Super Mario Bros. Movie trailer and kicks off Mario Day festivities

    I'm super excited about Super Mario Bros! 


    Kelly (SWZD)​ Thank you for SOMEBODY finally changing the topic, lol.


    It's a crap move by HP, but I'm not one to use words like "I will NEVER..." and "I will ALWAYS."  Those are promises, and in most cases promises that I don't won't to hold myself to!  I myself *almost always* buy genuine ink and toner -- regardless of brand -- as I just find it to be the most reliable, even if more expensive.  That's just it:  ink and toner just IS expensive, and as with most things in life, if you skirt and cheap out, you run the risk of problems.

    Again, HP and others shouldn't be doing this.  I honestly hope this adds fuel to the fire of ongoing legal cases, and/or gets them in trouble all over again.  If they don't learn from this mistake, they're going to be losing far more revenue from lost customers than the revenue their gaining from selling more cartridges.


    Here's another idea:  maybe printer manufacturers should get back to making good printers and take a little margin instead of these s**t printers nowadays that are throw-ways and trying to make good margins on ink and toner. 

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  • delta-sierra_426 wrote:

    Kelly (SWZD) wrote:

    Nintendo shares final Super Mario Bros. Movie trailer and kicks off Mario Day festivities

    I'm super excited about Super Mario Bros! 


    Kelly (SWZD)​ Thank you for SOMEBODY finally changing the topic, lol.

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    It's-a-me... Having fun on MAR10 Day!

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  • Glad to hear Netwire RAT malware was taken down. Security Opens a new window is so important in the realm of remote access tools.

    Not sure that VR should be used in personnel assessment for employment. Discrimination definitely comes to mind and reminds me of the personality tests Opens a new window that have been used and that were found to have unconscious biases. Sounds like an episode of Dark Mirror. Thankfully not all jobs emphasize speed over quality, but this is definitely an area I wouldn’t be surprised to see expand in the future for some industries.

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  • Can't wait to see the movie! Totally forgot about MAR10 day! :) Very cool!

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  • I don't like these HP tactics. Personally, I am happy to save hundreds of dollars using re manufactured cartridges. I will continue to do so with a manufacturer other than HP.

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  • Link to Audi bike story: https://www.engadget.com/audis-electric-mountain-bike-costs-over-10000-143547822.html Opens a new window
    Current link is to Engadget story on "GM Ultra Cruise system".
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  • Relativity Space Prepares to Launch First 3D Printed Rocket: Let's hope it has the stress tolerance to take the g-forcce.
    HP Updates Its Printers to Only Work With Official Ink Cartridges: If that happens to me, bye-bye HP.
    Virtual reality games can be used as a tool in personnel assessment: Interesting, indeed.

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  • asiahey wrote:

    Link to Audi bike story: https://www.engadget.com/audis-electric-mountain-bike-costs-over-10000-143547822.html Opens a new window
    Current link is to Engadget story on "GM Ultra Cruise system".

    Fixed.  Sorry about that.  I guess it was the eternal scroll thing.  Got to the end of the article and copied the link, but didn't realize it was now showing a url for the story below.  That is so strange. :)  I just tested it and watched the url change as I scrolled.  I will now be aware of that for next time.

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  • It would depend on the VR environment, but I strongly suspect that I would score really low because I'd spend too much time dinking around with graphic artifacts and poor physics implementations. 

    Interviewer: "Tell me about an accomplishment you're proud of."

    Me: "I MADE THIS VR COFFEE CUP FLOAT IN MIDAIR!!"

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  • This is what happens when you buy consumer-grade junk instead of proper enterprise class equipment. Looks like HP is only doing this on their OfficeJet series which is a home user/SOHO product. I only use business-grade equipment for all my home IT, and I rarely have issues with a vendor like this. It's not that much more expensive either if you know what products to get.

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  • I have to laugh when people say they are going to buy another printer. All vendors are roughly the same. Most vendors are now pushing their subscription services anyway. Even Brother, who seems to get mentioned a lot are starting a subscription service. But look around the world in general and you will see that nearly every industry is getting into the subscription service to generate recurring revenue.

    1. Car Sales, Hyundai Hybrids anyone?

    2. Food - all those deliver the ingredients to your door to make a meal services

    3. Cars - Want that automatic locking door feature active?

    4. Cell Phones - one of the originators of the recurring revenue model.

    5. Software as a service, no more license, no more ownership, only pay to use, or make purchased versions so expensive no one wants to buy.

    Yes as they slowly extract every last dollar out of your body, don't forget the prepaid funeral plans either.

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  • Suzanne (Spiceworks) wrote:

    HP Updates Its Printers to Only Work With Official Ink Cartridges

    Everyone: We hate printers.

    HP: Wanna hate them more?

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  • theitguy107 wrote:

    This is what happens when you buy consumer-grade junk instead of proper enterprise class equipment. Looks like HP is only doing this on their OfficeJet series which is a home user/SOHO product. I only use business-grade equipment for all my home IT, and I rarely have issues with a vendor like this. It's not that much more expensive either if you know what products to get.

    I have a relative who sells printers and 3rd party toner for a small local company.

    The company has several school systems as customers and HP did this to several business grade printers as well.

    As is unfortunately the norm, these school systems have a very limited budget and this just hurt the school systems as well as the company selling the toner.

    HP is horrible company and the folks who made this decision care about one thing, money.

    I hope they enjoy this money, I imagine it will keep the fire around them in hell burning extra hot!

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  • theitguy107 wrote:

    This is what happens when you buy consumer-grade junk instead of proper enterprise class equipment. Looks like HP is only doing this on their OfficeJet series which is a home user/SOHO product. I only use business-grade equipment for all my home IT, and I rarely have issues with a vendor like this. It's not that much more expensive either if you know what products to get.

    Strange to blame the consumers for this...

    I got hit with this last week on my LaserJet Pro MFP M479fnw. 

    It doesn't matter if HP do this only on consumer grade, or only on their "My first printer" model, it's still a sh***y move, and definitely not the consumer's fault for buying the appropriate printer for their needs. 

    If Ford suddenly forced all owners old and new to only fill up at their own brand gas stations with ridiculous prices, would your reaction be "Well that's what you get for not buying a Mercedes"?

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  • GTO Guy wrote:

    There is a thread on here from years ago when Epson did this. I will never own another Epson, and now will never own an HP. Then again, who uses printers anymore? I only use mine to fax...

    Interestingly enough, my home printer is an Epson.  I ran an Artisan 730 for many years without any trouble using 3rd party cartridges. When my son was starting college I gave his that one and bought one of Epson's EcoTank printers.  No cartridges needed. It came with full ink bottles and I haven't even used up half of them in 3 years.

    The old Artisan is no longer usable only because the touch panel no longer responds to input, so my son couldn't connect it to the local wifi at grad school.

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  • "Bing, yes that Bing, now has 100 million daily users"

    Forced, by a few devious means! 

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  • These are the true super Mario brothers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Al_DShXX0 Opens a new window

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  • chrisf7 wrote:

    Bing, yes that Bing, now has 100 million daily users

    I wonder if they count windows searches in this number, b/c if they do that's inflating the numbers!

    It's 100 million searches for the Chrome/Firefox/or other installer!

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  • GTO Guy wrote:

    There is a thread on here from years ago when Epson did this. I will never own another Epson, and now will never own an HP. Then again, who uses printers anymore? I only use mine to fax...

    I actually use mine plenty, even more than the kids, well, because I don't let them use color ;) lol.  IAS, I just had to PRINT my damn state tax return last night ffs!  First time in years, and nothing's changed that I am aware of other than one stipulation possibly with 1099's.  I'll have to research it more, but what a pain in the ass :/  Also, I do a fair amount of shipping and printing labels looks better than my chicken scratch ;) lol

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  • imho, HP is going to take this one on the chin, in a huge way.  Talk about short-sighted thinking, yet again.  I'm more than willing to buy OEM cartridges at home because I don't use THAT much...ever, but don't force me to buy them.  I'm all about choice.
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  • it's the 100 million people looking up how to use Bing AI chat 

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  • MR.Burnz wrote:

    These are the true super Mario brothers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Al_DShXX0 Opens a new window

    That was some movie, huh?!

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  • When it come to printers I'm starting to recommend Epson printers again. Their new range doesn't use cartridges anymore, you just fill up the printer with ink from the bottles and they can print up to 4.5k copies from a full supply. When it runs out you just top the ink up again.

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